Li: ritual, propriety, etiquette. Hsiao: love within the family (parents for children and children for parents. Yi: righteousness--the noblest way to act in a situation. Xin: honesty and trustworthiness. Jen: benevolence, humaneness towards others. Chung: loyalty to the state and authority. --Confucius (Kong Fuzi)
All articles appear in reverse chronological order [newest first]:
I believe the past is relevant, sometimes more than others of course. In most cases we are seeing history being repeated, so it is most relevant.

Monday, April 17, 2017

The Washington Post is aiding and abetting Donald Trump’s stealth attack on Social Security.

from “Social Security Works”

The Post and the Trump administration are running parallel campaigns to divide the American people―pitting retired workers against people with disabilities―in an attempt to achieve their ultimate goal of dismantling Social Security.

Trump’s Budget Director and Tea Party darling, Mick Mulvaney recently showed his hand in an interview with CNBC when he said: “Do you really think that Social Security disability insurance is part of what people think of when they think of Social Security?”

This is a long-favored tactic of opponents of Social Security who seek to employ a divide-and-conquer strategy.

The Washington Post, in a recent front-page article, attempted to justify the Trump administration’s argument for Social Security cuts by arguing that working-age people in rural America are using Social Security Disability Insurance as a form of unemployment insurance.

But our friends at TalkPoverty.org recently exposed the truth about the Post article―it was based on completely inaccurate data that overcounted the number of Social Security Disability beneficiaries by literally millions.

Not bound by facts, the Washington Post and the Trump administration are using false numbers and an underhanded scheme to divide the American people, cut disability insurance and dismantle Social Security.

It’s time to hold the Washington Post accountable!

Click here to send a letter directly to the Washington Post to demand they retract their false numbers and stop their attack on Social Security beneficiaries.

Donald Trump may have run on a promise to protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, but in his first failed piece of legislation he attempted to gut Medicare and Medicaid to give $1 trillion in tax breaks to the wealthy.

Don’t let the Washington Post give cover to Donald Trump’s attempt to destroy Social Security.

Write to the Washington Post and demand a retraction of the inaccurate and dangerous portrait they are painting of Social Security.

Together, we are holding the media and our elected officials accountable as we fight to protect and expand Social Security for current and future generations.

Thank you,

Michael Phelan
Social Security Works

Tuesday, April 4, 2017

Martin Luther King, Jr., Peace And Memorial Park:

On April 4th 1968, Robert Kennedy delivered the speech that still astounds us with its humanity and grace.
GlennDL
The Landmark for Peace Memorial is a memorial sculpture at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Park on the north side of Indianapolis that honors the contributions of the slain leaders Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy. The sculpture, which features King and Kennedy reaching out to each other. It was designed by Greg Perry.

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On the next day while speaking in Cleveland, Robert Kennedy gave an even more inspirational speech on ‘The Mindless Menace of Violence’. (video) Nine weeks later, Robert Kennedy, like his older brother President John F. Kennedy and Dr. King, would also be assassinated.

 
On May 14, 1994 President Bill Clinton delivered a speech at the groundbreaking ceremonies for the Landmark For Peace memorial at 17th and Broadway in Indianapolis.     read the text of his speech.

Martin Luther King “I Have A Dream”

Martin Luther King “I’ve Been To The Mountain Top” part 1

Martin Luther King “I’ve Been To The Mountain Top” part 2

[My previous link to this 2nd video has become disconnected. If anyone can send me a link to Part 2 please send it to indianaglenn @ gmail .com]
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Sunday, March 12, 2017

Laziness isn’t why people are poor. And iPhones aren’t why they lack health care.

The real reasons people suffer poverty don't reflect well on the United States.

By Stephen Pimpare March 8

Stephen Pimpare is the author of "A People’s History of Poverty in America" and the forthcoming "Ghettos, Tramps, and Welfare Queens: Down and Out on the Silver Screen." He teaches American politics and public policy at the University of New Hampshire.


Two homeless women wait for the bus to take their children to a shelter for the night. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)

In response to a question about his party’s plan to increase the cost of health insurance, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) suggested that people should “invest in their own health care” instead of “getting that new iPhone.” He doubled-down on the point in a later interview: “People need to make a conscious choice, and I believe in self-reliance.” Chaffetz is wrong. But he isn’t alone.

While he has been met with justifiable derision for the comparison…   read more.

PostEverything Analysis

Saturday, February 25, 2017

A letter from the White House: 1963

Kennedy familyIn 1963 for some long forgotten reason I wrote a letter to President John F. Kennedy. The White House replied with a letter, a picture of the President’s family, and a picture of the President. By the time I was discharged from the army (1975) I had lost track of the photos and pictures. Recently I discovered them pressed between the pages of a book that I had long ago purchased titled, “This Was The President, John F. Kennedy” by Tony Spina. It was a picture book chronicling the campaign, short Presidency, and funeral of the slain President.

At 10 years old I can’t imagine why I would write a letter to the President. At the time I wasn’t exhibiting any inclination to being what anyone would call a ‘bright’ kid. Any political interest I would develop later on where to complex for me at that age. It surprises me now that I even knew who the President was in 1963. I was a classic knucklehead. In hindsight I use to think it might have been because we were in Germany when the President gave his “Ich bin ein Berliner" speech, but in fact he would give that speech 4 months later. The only plausible explanation is that it was probably some mandatory school project.

Kenedy letter

I know that I liked the President, the idea of the President, but those feelings probably came after receiving the letter.

Where were you on the day you heard the president was assassinated?

The answer to the inevitable question/phrase:

When I received the letter from the White House we lived in Warner Kaserne in Munich, Germany. Kaserne means ‘barracks’ in its original use, but by the 60’s it was more broadly used to mean camp. In this case camp didn’t mean pup tents and latrines. These kasernes were permanent buildings, barracks, and apartments as well as military equipment and functions.

By the time the President was assassinated we had moved to a smaller kaserne near Munich. Our knew kaserne was formerly a World War I cavalry fort with a small city adjacent. Just like civilian towns grow around American bases in America they also grow up around military bases in other countries. This is a situation that goes back to the Roman Legions and before. It is a fact of military life.

This kaserne had been a military camp during World War II. After the war the little camp was divided into a converted U.S. Army base and a Museum. The building we lived in had formerly been German officers barracks. The apartment was heated with coal stoves that we had to keep going during the cold and snowy Bavarian winters. It was quiet a cultural shock for an uninspired ten year old.

We lived within a 100 yards of the Post Exchange (PX), which also served as the bus stop for the on base school. That’s were I was when someone informed us that the President had been assassinated. I remember where I was, but not much else of that day. I don’t even remember if they told us to stay home that day or we if still went to school. My brothers and I had dealt with the death of our mother a few years before and I’m not sure if I had even completely processed that event by 1963, so maybe my absorption of the news of the Kennedy assassination may have been muffled by comparison.

Another reason why I remember so little beyond where I was that day, combined with my mother’s death, might have been the ‘trauma’ of our new residence. Once we moved into our new location, like everyone else we visited and toured the part of the old German base that was converted into a museum and what I saw there left me shaking and in awe. Memories of what we saw in that museum haunted me the rest of my live. Not with nightmares and psychological episodes, but with questions that a simple ten year old ask when processing the events around them. Simple questions, but with answers that were so complex they never satisfied. Simple questions that even as an adult you find the answers, still, so dissatisfying.

Kennedy JohnQuestions like; Why did my mother die? No one can adequately answer that.
In the case of that museum the simple question was ‘how could people do that to another human being? As you grow up you see that in spite of the fact that we can’t explain the why, we continually see the continuation of such abhorrent behavior and treatment towards each other. That museum, finding out the truth about that camp, what the officers who lived in the barracks we lived in did, and what the people of that little city supposedly ignored, why? In the visit to the museum that day was planted the seed that would germinate into an anguish for social justice, while unformed at that time, that seed would grow to define my outlook on humanity… and the need for vigilance.

The name of that city, the kaserne, the former fort… Dachau.

Saturday, February 4, 2017

Properly Training Your Wife:

cartoon1Three men from Texas were sitting together one day bragging about how they had given their new wives duties.

The first man had married a woman from Illinois and had told her that she was going to have to do the dishes and house cleaning. It took a couple of days, but on the third day he came home to see a clean house and dishes washed and put away.

The second man had married a woman from Michigan . He had given his wife orders that she was to do all the cleaning, dishes, and the cooking. The first day he didn't see any results, but the next day he saw it was better. By the third day, he saw his house was clean, the dishes were done, and there was a huge dinner on the table.

The third man had married a girl from Missouri. He told her that her duties were to keep the house cleaned, dishes washed, lawn mowed, laundry washed and hot meals on the table for every meal. He said the first day he didn't see anything, the second day he didn't see anything, but by the third day some of the swelling had gone down and he could see a little bit out of his left eye, enough to fix himself a sandwich and load the dishwasher...

courtesy of Judy McCrate

Sunday, January 22, 2017

Beating A Speeding Ticket.

An older lady gets pulled over for speeding:Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Older Woman: Is there a problem, Officer?
Officer: Ma'am, you were speeding.
Older Woman: Oh, I see.
Officer: Can I see your license please?
Older Woman: I'd give it to you but I don't have one.
Officer: Don't have one?
Older Woman: Lost it, 4 years ago for drunk driving.
Officer: I see...Can I see your vehicle registration papers please.
Older Woman: I can't do that.
Officer: Why not?
Older Woman: I stole this car.
Officer: Stole it?
Older Woman: Yes, and I killed and hacked up the owner.
Officer: You what?
Older Woman: His body parts are in plastic bags in the trunk if you want to see.

The Officer looks at the woman and slowly backs away to his car and calls for back up. Within minutes 5 police cars circle the car. A senior officer slowly approaches the car, clasping his half drawn gun.

Officer 2: Ma'am, could you step out of your vehicle please! The woman steps out of her vehicle.
Older Woman: Is there a problem sir?
Officer 2: One of my officers told me that you have stolen this car and murdered the owner.
Older Woman: Murdered the owner?
Officer 2: Yes, could you please open the trunk of your car, please.

The woman opens the trunk, revealing nothing but an empty trunk.

Officer 2: Is this your car, ma'am?
Older Woman: Yes, here are the registration papers.

The officer is quite stunned.

Officer 2: One of my officers claims that you do not have a driving license.

The woman digs into her handbag and pulls out a clutch purse and hands it to the officer.
The officer examines the license. He looks quite puzzled.

Officer 2: Thank you ma'am, one of my officers told me you didn't have a license, that you stole this car, and that you murdered and hacked up the owner.
Older Woman: Bet the liar told you I was speeding, too.Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

courtesy of Felicia Thompson

Saturday, January 21, 2017

Bathing Your Cat:

Please forward to cat lovers everywhere who are very concerned about their cat's hygiene.cat
  1. Thoroughly clean the toilet. 
  2. Add the required amount of shampoo to the toilet water, and have both lids lifted.
  3. Obtain the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the
    bathroom.
  4. In one smooth movement, put the cat in the toilet and close both lids (you may need to stand on the lid so that he cannot escape). CAUTION: Do not get any part of your body too close to the edge, as his paws will be reaching out for any purchase they can find.
  5. Flush the toilet three or four times. This provides a "power wash and rinse" which I have found to be quite effective.
  6. Have someone open the door to the outside and ensure that there are no people between the toilet and the outside door.
  7. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids.

The now-clean cat will rocket out of the toilet, and run outside where he will dry himself.

 

Sincerely,
THE DOG

Monday, January 16, 2017

Martin Luther King, Jr., Peace And Memorial Park:

GlennDL
The Landmark for Peace Memorial is a memorial sculpture at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Park on the north side of Indianapolis that honors the contributions of the slain leaders Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy. The sculpture, which features King and Kennedy reaching out to each other. It was designed by Greg Perry.

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On the next day while speaking in Cleveland, Robert Kennedy gave an even more inspirational speech on ‘The Mindless Menace of Violence’. Nine weeks later, Robert Kennedy, like his older brother President John F. Kennedy and Dr. King, would also be assassinated.


On May 14, 1994 President Bill Clinton delivered a speech at the groundbreaking ceremonies for the Landmark For Peace memorial at 17th and Broadway in Indianapolis.     read the text of his speech.

Martin Luther King “I Have A Dream”

Martin Luther King “I’ve Been To The Mountain Top” part 1

Martin Luther King “I’ve Been To The Mountain Top” part 2

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MLKday 11

Wednesday, January 11, 2017

Redneck Halter Top:

Good googily woogily!
                                                       originally posted 12-8-08

How about checking your facts once in awhile

 

Snopes and Urban Legends are the oldest fact checking sites, but PolitiFact is probably the most efficient and popular.

Below is a list if sites I use:

* These are new sites that I have not yet completly vetted  

Can a fact checking site be biased? Of course, but the important point is to what degree, and even more important is that just because you disagree with the fact check that doesn’t make it biased. Most often we look for confirmation of our own biased and reject anything that we don’t agree with.

Ask yourself this:

  • Does the site have a stated methodology in their evaluation of facts. Do they conform to that methodology.
  • Does the site provide names, dates, verifiable quotes, and links to supporting references.
  • Are the source and references independent of the fact checking site. In other-words is the site quoting themselves or sister sites, opinion sites, or sites that are themselves biased.
  • Always consider the opposing opinion. You can’t truly understand the complexity of debate if you can’t completely understand and explain the opposing view.
  • When the site provides a link or reference does it checkout. Too many sites will provide a link to what is supposed to support a fact does it? I’ve seen many sites quote an article from SNOPES.COM and then when I click the link the SNOPES article doesn’t support the  sites claim, sometimes it is unrelated and sometimes it even disputes the claim. What is happening their is the site assumes that most people will be attracted to their headline and won’t actually read the article, and they think your too lazy to actually click and read the SNOPES article. That’s them calling you stupid and lazy, not me. Always check out sources and links… after awhile you learn what sites are honest and not.
  • Can you make a critical and fact based argument to support you view in the face of an unfavorable fact check?

After a while you will learn what fact checking websites are most reliable and honest. Notice I didn’t say unbiased. If you want a fact checker that supports your biased then your not interested in the truth. If you want a website that has absolutely no bias then good luck. I you can accept a website that meets the above criteria with some, but minimal bias, then your on the right track to getting at deciphering truth from opinion.

Never present opinion as fact, never ignore facts in the face of opinion, and don’t ever be afraid to weigh both fact and opinion equally.

These two sights are not fact checking sites like the above but:

 

this one is great for looking up and reading the actual language of proposed laws. You can also look up laws passed in past congresses:

and this one is great for looking up actual labor statistics. You know for those charts that keep appearing comparing on presidents effect on jobs against another, or one party against another.

Usually when you want to check an email you can just copy the title in the subject line of the email into the 'Search" box on the websites page. If someone has changed the subject line in the chain email you may have to look for a key phrase or words to put into the search box.

I won't claim that any of these sights are free of bias, but I don't think any site, or any of us can make that claim. The question should be how bias, that's why I usually look at more than two sights on any subject and sometimes will look at all of them to see if anyone has a counter argument.

 

Over the years I have responded to chain mails because I think that, just like old fashion chain letters, they are for the most part deceitful and pray on the little old lady types who could be scared into keeping the chain going for fear of bad luck. That's never the intention of the person forwarding the chain mail, but it is the intention of the person who originated it.

Sadly, it seems many people like forwarding the chainmail's. I say this because as I have responded by correcting the chainmail's I have received less of them. I suspect that too many people prefer to receive chainmail's that fit into their beliefs more so than they want to hear the truth or facts about someone they would rather hate than know the truth. (??)

Some chainmail's have been sent so much that at one point I started cataloguing them on one this website to keep from having to re-answer the same chainmail every year. Click the "Spitting Back" link. There are 20 post under that topic and they all won't appear in the same listing so when you get near the bottom look for the 'Older Post' link. There is also a link ('Spam and E-Mail Hoaxes') in the 'Information' box for an explanation of how and why people start chainmail's and why they can be putting your mailing list at risk.'

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Tuesday, January 10, 2017

The Montgomery/Williams Project: Group Page Cover Photo 2

The banner art from the top of James Francis Williams and Myrtle Ethel Montgomery's Marriage License. A 76 year old, still intact document. courtesy of Jo Littrell

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Mis-Information:

In the past when man's curiosity was peaked he sought out more information, but today…

We seem to live in a society where in spite of an ever increasing abundance of resources to obtain accurate information on virtually any subject we are overwhelmed by a cacophony of inaccurate and dishonest dissemination of falsehoods and misinformation.

Too many of us are either too lazy or too easily distracted to make use of the available resources and instead accept the barrage of misinformation that is thrown at us. It comes at us from many entities: political parties or their extremist by-products, religious zealots and their ‘chosen ones’, rebels and outliers, corporate lobbyist, wall street ad agencies, cable TV & news, talk radio, social media,and even the well intentioned but equally mis-informed information junkie.

We are so bombarded with useless information that instead of using information to discover real truths, we succumb to the bombardment and accept anything thrown at us as either a complete falsehood or the righteous truth dependent on how immediately it appeals to our preconceived notions.  Religious leaders, politicians and wall street can just throw things(lies and half-truths) against the wall (us) and see what sticks.

As a result of this we tend to confuse our religious leaders with or political leaders, our economic system (capitalism) with our form of government (democratic republic). We don’t see our founding fathers as men of principle who when discovering differences of opinion had the character and patience to seek compromise without abandoning their principles. We now see them as men who embrace our particular political party (which did not exist in their time)

                                                                   GlennDL

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Monday, January 9, 2017

The Montgomery/Williams Project: Profile Pictures 2

In the family book we will need several pictures. Profile Pictures will be needed similar to the ones in the montage below. If you're not in the montage then I don't have a profile picture for you so send me one. If you don't like the one in the montage send me a different one. The profile picture should be a head and shoulders shot. It can not be a full body shot because the picture will be small in the profile part of the book. If you don't have a head and shoulder shot then you can 'crop' a larger picture. If you don't know how to crop a shot just send it to me and I will do it. All profile pictures will be cropped to a square.
HOW TO SEND ME A PICTURE: Post and share to this group. Take a selfie and share it to this group. Facebook email (messenger) it to me. Email it to indianaglenn@gmail.com . Mail it to me at PO BOX 20794, Indianapolis, Indiana 46220-0794. OR call me to come and get it!!!!!.

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Saturday, January 7, 2017

The Montgomery/Williams Project: Profile Pictures 1

How well do you know your Williams Family?
Us the comments to identify (with picture number and name) as many as you can.
No cheating by looking at other's responses.

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Sunday, January 1, 2017

The Montgomery/Williams Project: Family History Book & Photo Album.

In addition to this group page the Project includes the publishing of a family history book, a photo album, a picture CD and possibly a video DVD.

The Book Project:

The book will consist of two parts: a family history section and a photo album section. The size and content of both parts will be dependent upon how much is contributed by family members, you, your siblings and your cousins. We’re not talking about money when we say contributions, we’re talking about information and items to go into the book.

The family history section:

Relying on information and research already collected is not going to be enough. Most of it is historical and will have to be verified and supplemented by additional research. In addition there is virtually no documentation on the descendants of James and Myrtle Montgomery Williams -- the focal point of the book.

Most of what we need from everyone for this section is:

Memories of family stories, saved letters your willing to share, copies of birth and death certificates, marriage license, military papers, newspaper clippings (birth, announcements, obituaries, news stories), etc.

The family history part of the book will be organized as follows:

  • Introduction & Historical background
  • Chapter 1: The families migration story
  • Chapter 2: The Pope Family
  • Chapter 3: The Montgomery Family
  • Chapter 4: The Brown Family
  • Chapter 5: The Williams Family
  • Chapter 6: Myrtle Montgomery and James Williams Descendants
  • The Photo Album

The photo album:

I have already scanned and indexed 515 photos from mine and Jodi’s collection. 371 have already been sorted out for possible inclusion in the photo album,* but like anyone's photo collection the emphasis is on their own family. In all only about 30 of these pictures will be useful in the photo album, and most of them will be of her family. We need photos from everyone, especially old photos of aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. (most of the older photos of siblings and ancestors of Myrtle and James will appear in the Family History Section)

The Photo album format will be:

  1. Mr. & Mrs. James Williams
  2. The children of James Williams (Siblings) 27 photos each = total 18 pages
  3. The grandchildren of James Williams (First Cousins) 18 photos each = total 34 pages
  4. The grandchildren of James Williams (Second Cousins) 9 photos each = total 12 pages
  5. Third Cousins with children (third cousins without children will be with their parents)

As you can see we are looking at about 64 pages of photos. It could be more are less depending on how many cousins there are (who knows right now?), how many photos are contributed, and how many photos will actually be usable.

As you can see both parts of the Book Project require participation of everyone for it to be a success. We will start requesting information from everyone soon, but you can start contributing to the project right now by sharing family pictures and information to this group page.

Three ways to contribute:

  1. Post information to this group page
  2. Email it to me: indianaglenn@gmail.com
  3. Postal mail it to me. I will return everything by mail. Glenn Littrell, PO Box 20794, Indianapolis, Indiana 46220-0794

THE COST: It cost between 30 to 50+ dollars to have a 200 page book printed.

  • If we are unsuccessful in collecting enough information to produce a book then I will provide copies of the book free of charge to those contributing to the book. This is the risk I assume in undertaking this project. These free copies will only be provided to those contributing to the project.
  • If we are successful in collecting enough information copies will be made available at cost.
  • The CD: The CD will contain as many of the pictures collected that the CD will hold. It will be included free with each copy of the book in the initial distribution.

Nee, nee, nee, a horse is a horse of course…

updated 2-24-2017

I have come across a public notice from a 1932 newspaper (below) concerning a family I’m researching. The notice either clears up the identification of the family, or creates more questions than it answers. This is a common paradox of genealogy, that most evidence proves something while raising more questions.

In the case of the following article the usage of a certain word is the culprit. Does the word have a narrow, specific, legal meaning?

The dilemma:

  • What I knew before discovering this article: That an ancestor, James Pope had a daughter named Maggie, and that Maggie married Pastor Sidney M. Puryear… all of Indianapolis.
  • What I suspected: That Maggie might have died in 1916.
  • What I didn’t know: If Maggie and Sidney had any children, who was Sidney’s family, and what ever happened to Sidney.

The article:

PROBATE CAUSE
In The Court Marion County, Indiana
Estate Docket 88 Page 30234
Daniel W. Jones
Executor Of Estate Of John A. Puryear, Deceased, Laura Bennett, et. al.
To Laura Bennett and Holman P. Bennett her husband, Maggie Puryear Kimbro, nee Puryear, and Edward Kimbro, her husband, Sidney
M. Puryear and Clara Ellison.
You severalty hereby notified that the above named petitioner as Executor of the estate of the aforesaid, has filed in the Probate Court of Marion County, Indiana, a petition, making you defendants thereto, and praying therein for an order and decree of said court authorizing the sale of certain real estate belonging to the estate of said decedent, and in said petition described to make assets for the payment of debts and liabilities of said estate; and has also filed an affidavit averring that you and each of you are non-residents of the State of Indiana, or that your residence is unknown and that you are necessary parties to said proceedings, and that said petition so filed, and which is now pending, is set for hearing in said Probate Court at the court house in Indianapolis, Indiana, on the 6th day of September 1932.

Witness the Clerk and Seal of said court, this 2nd day of July 1932
GLENN B. RALSTON. Clerk of the Probate Court of Marion County
R. L. Bailey. Atty. 7-9-32

The question and word that causes some possible confusion is “nee” (emphasis added above). The use of the word in genealogy has fallen in signifigance as divorce and remarriage has become more common. The original use of the word was to indicate the maiden name of a women. Nee being added after the married name and before the maiden name. What is more common today is to indicate the maiden name by having it preceed the married name and usually indicated by quotes or parentheses. The practice of a woman keeping her maiden name and hyphenating it with her married name has further eroded the use of the word nee. In addition with divorce and remarriage (wash, rinse, and repeat) the “nee” becomes useless in its original use, to indicate maiden name, and would have us ‘nee, nee, neeing’ like a hungry horse.

In regards to the ‘legal’ use of the word the paragraph naming the defendants is what troubles me. Does the word here have a specific, narrow, legal use similar to the traditional and genealogical use of specifically designating the woman’s maiden name?

  • Maggie Puryear Kimbro: I would normally assume this was Sidney’s wife who had remarried, to Edward Kimbro, but “…nee Puryear” raises a suspicion that this Maggie might be a different Maggie, a Puryear by birth, either a sister, aunt, niece, or cousin of Sidney’s. I would have been surprised to find that Maggie and Sidney had divorced and would also be surprised to find a divorced and remarried daughter-in-law being included in an estate settlement.
  • I would have assumed Laura Bennett to be the a married relative of the deceased and that Clara Ellison is an unmarried relative, probably a grandchild of the deceased. Why isn’t Laura Bennett identified by “nee (maiden name)”?

Most of my encounters with legal notices and documents in genealogy research can usually be clarified with other evidence such as additional probate records or census data, but this is the only thing I have that identifies Sidney’s family, or anything on either Maggie or Sidney after 1916. It is also my first encounter with probate/legal records in Indiana.

If not for the use of the word “nee” in this notice the following is what my probable assumptions would be:

  • That Maggie (Sidney’s widow) had remarried to Edward Kimbro, but the executor had no knowledge of her whereabouts or if she was still living.
  • That Laura Bennett was probably the married daughter of the deceased and sister of Sidney’s.
  • The executor presumed that Sydney is probably deceased, but not certain.
  • That Clara Ellison was an unmarried granddaughter or niece of the deceased

My experience has always been that legal notices and documents did not follow strict verbiage, form, and semantics in the 1700 and 1800s to the same degree that they do today, but this is the newest (1932) probate notice that I have dealt with to date.

In the 1700 and 1800s doctors and lawyers didn’t always need a license or formal education to practice law or medicine. Dealing with my first legal document from the 1900s, particularly the 1930s, I wonder if the rules had yet become so defined or formalized. Thus my inquiry from a legal person like yourself.

I hope you can help me on this, and welcome any opinion legal or otherwise, but if you can’t don’t worry, the beauty of doing this kind of research is its like a never ending detective story… answering one mystery while creating a new one that needs to be solved.

I apologize for my grammatical and spelling errors. I have to save the favors of my proofing editor (my daughter) for the big projects.

Thanking you in advance, your 1st cousin, once removed,

Glenn Littrell
www.littrellfamily.net

Rex’s reply:

Hi Glenn.  I am Rex and Nancy’s son.   My mom asked me to review the message you sent to her and my sister Penny relating to your questions relating to the use of the word “nee” in the 1932 probate record for John A. Puryear.    As you know, that post related to the use of the phrase “nee Puryear” following the name Maggie Puryear Kimbro.  I am not a probate attorney – and certainly was not one in 1932 in Indiana – but I think your initial inclination that the word “nee” denoted a maiden name of possibly another Maggie may be correct.  I did a quick check of some other much more recent Indiana probate records on line, and the word “nee” appeared to be used to denote a maiden name.  Of course, without further proof, there is no way of know if the court clerk in 1932 was using the term in that manner, but that would be my assumption.  I am not aware of any formal legalese or formal rules relating to the term.  If my assumption is correct, it would not appear that “Maggie Puryear” was the Maggie Pope who married Sidney Puryear. 

I wish I could offer more, but that is my take on the situation.  I am sure this is the type of puzzle that makes genealogy so fascinating and so frustrating at the same time.  Good luck with your search!

Rex

As luck (translation: my occasional confusion) would have it my dilemma, though real, was misstated. Maggie Pope did not marry Sidney Puryear, her sister Hattie did. In spite of my mistake the reply by Rex cleared up not just my mistake but led me to find me additional information and the identification of the Puryear extended family and Hattie’s family.

 

anyone having an opinion on this can email me at indianaglenn@gmail.com